A section of the ongoing discussion between Chris the evil Presuppositionlist (inside joke, sorry) and Mitch over at Urban Philosophy caught my attention today. It is a section that discusses the concept of “common ground” between believer and unbeliever by using the analogy of gravity. Here is the entirety of what Mitch stated caught my attention:
The common ground of reality affect both the believer and the non-believer, and this is a common ground from which dialogue may begin. Knowledge of gravity is not required for the effects of gravity. We do not see babies flying because they do not
Me: Why are you an unbeliever?
Atheist: Chris: because I don’t accept the notion of any god, nor the Bible’s claims
Me: None of the Bible’s claims?
Atheist: Well, it gets some: details right… there was a Jerusalem, Roman Empire, etc :p
Me: What do you mean by “notion”? Does “notion” = “concept”?
Atheist: Well, I meant it in that context, yes
Me: Why do you reject the concept of the Christian God?
Atheist: Because I don’t accept scripture’s claims regarding god, his intervention in human affairs, the life of Jesus and the theology it teaches
Me: Right but anything …
When it comes to disagreements about the existence of God people usually want to proceed without ever setting down a clear set of rules by which to make a case. We often assume that we are all thinking along the same lines as to what the rules are when it comes to discussions about God and truth and knowledge and other such subjects. This assumption is unfortunate because Christians and non-Christians “play” by a different set of rules. The amount of literature written about the subject of the existence of God could fill libraries, yet if we searched through all …
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Prov 1:7 (ESV)
Recognizing God for who He is and giving Him due reverence as Lord is the beginning of knowledge, not the end of it. This is very different from what most people think today. Even some Christians think that if we just start with what we already know without God, we can show people that God really does exist. From there, we can tell people about who God is. This does not match the verse though. A knowledge of God does not come …
Imagine you are at a friend’s house playing a game of pool. Your friend begins the game by breaking, but not a single ball goes into a pocket. Now it is your turn. You step up, adjust your pool stick just right, and sink a striped ball into a side pocket. You call solids but your friend objects.
“Huh? You can’t be solids. You sank a striped, so you are stripes.”
“Nope. It doesn’t go by what kind of ball you sink first. Being the first to sink a ball just means that you get to choose first, not that …
It never ceases to amaze me when individuals argue that a Christian’s interpretation of the Bible is subjective (and therefore dubious) while simultaneously appealing to their own interpretation as being correct in order to make their argument. Case in point:
Atheist: So, you are wrong, because there are many other Christian churches besides the odd Westboro who really do have a better idea of what Jesus meant than YOU do. It’s only your opinion – just as it is Westboro’s opinion that they can determine what Jesus meant.
Westboro, for those of you who are not familiar, is the …
Atheist Christopher Hitchens (“God is not Good”) and Christian Doug Wilson (“Letter From a Christian Citizen”) have been on tour for the past year holding a series of debates and public appearances that have eventually led to the production of the film “Collision”. The film is due to be released October 27, 2009 and can already be pre-ordered on Amazon.
There are a number of videos already on YouTube about the film … here is just one …
The URL for the website is www.collisionmovie.com.